themselves in the dust bin of history when they have policies on everything from gay rights to voter id laws and those not in mathemati mathematics? >> is there a sense inside the republican party, in -- among leadership? you have to wonder that something measurable needs to change. i actually want to bring up this thomas edsal "new york times" piece which i thought was one of the best analyses i have read about whether republicans can change. he writes, "the problems that faces business leaders pressing for reform is not just the reluctance of a political party to change. instead, it is the fact that much of the republican electorate, as presently constructed is profoundly committed, morally and idealogically, to traditional values." you're asking groups of people to change who were brought together by their resistance to change. their opposition to change is why they are republicans, and oh, lo and behold, another man who has suffered several hours on a terrible ride up to new york city, the washington post's jonathan kaphart. >> it wasn't bad until we started rolling. >> unfortunately it